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North Carolina’s Thirsty Curses blend punk, prog, and alt-rock with a signature wit and energy. We dive into their latest single, “Reading & Writing,” and their ever-evolving sound in this interview.

1. Your new single, "Reading & Writing," has been described as a mix of prog rock and showtune elements. What inspired this wild blend of styles?

For whatever reason, a lot of the songs I write on the piano end up having a showtune flair to them.  I’ve always had a soft spot for musicals, so maybe that’s part of it. 

We’ve got other songs that have a showtune feel as well…. "Foot in the Door" and “Ride These Rails” from the new record come to mind.  Also back catalog stuff like “Old Bag of Grass”, “Cold Black Ink”,  for example. So there’s been a long-running element of showtune style to some of our stuff. 

 On “Reading & Writing”, I pieced together several individual song parts of varying tempo etc. and used a turnaround bridge to help glue them together.  It went through several iterations and structure rewrites before it came into its final form.  I think that piecing approach ended up working out well and gave the song a unique finish.

I was going through a big Brian Wilson thing in late 2023, particularly The Beach Boys Love You album.  I’d read he did a lot of songwriting in pieces.  I don’t specifically remember thinking I’m going to pull a Brian Wilson here, but perhaps those ideas were floating around my head at the time and helped push me in that direction. 

2. The music video for "Reading & Writing" uses the intro montage from Reading Rainbow. What made you choose that particular nostalgic imagery?

I was thinking it’d be funny to promote the single as a philanthropic initiative against illiteracy, instead of just saying “here’s another new song by Thirsty Curses” or whatever it is we say. 

So that thought was floating around when we were trying to come up with cover art for the single which led us to the Reading Rainbow logo.  It was only after we’d re-jiggered the Reading Rainbow logo to say Reading & Writing that it dawned on me to try to splice the opening sequence of Reading Rainbow. 

It ended up fitting seamlessly; I didn’t have to do too much.  I altered the speed of portions of the clips and ran it in reverse toward the end to make it cover the length of the song, but there wasn’t much to do to make it work.

….So I guess it was really just an organic inspiration born from Thirsty Curses’ campaign to eradicate illiteracy.   We hope people will join the cause.   

3. This is the fourth single from Music is a Scam. How does "Reading & Writing" fit into the overall theme and sound of the album?

I think it’s the song that best represents the general aesthetic of the album.  It may even be the best one-song encapsulation of our overall sound.  The song covers a lot of sonic ground and explores serious lyrical themes albeit with a smirking nudge and wink, as is our way. It is pretty intense, but it’s also fun,…. which I think is Thirsty Curses in a nutshell.

4. You've worked with John Agnello, who's known for his work with bands like Dinosaur Jr. and The Hold Steady. What was it like collaborating with him on this record?

It was awesome.  John is great.  I felt like we had a pretty solid unspoken understanding of what we were going for from the get-go.  It was invaluable having someone so well-seasoned and intuitively in-tune with what we were trying to do musically behind the controls.    He also helped us work out a few intra-band disagreements about certain finishing touches on a couple songs.  He’s super fun and has a lot of great stories.  It was a great time and more importantly we’re very pleased with the end result.  John also mixed “Reading & Writing” as well as our next single “All That’s Left of Us Now”….We definitely developed a friendship out of the experience and have even watched some baseball since working together. 

In addition to John we also had Mitch Easter hanging around (we recorded it at his studio) and also our friend Isaac Anderson.  We’re very grateful Isaac was around as he and John both had some great suggestions/revisions which we incorporated.  

5. Your influences range from punk to alt-country to power pop. How do you balance all these different sounds while still maintaining a distinct Thirsty Curses identity?

I think it takes care of itself because even though the subgenres vary there’s a consistent attitude and sensibility running through songs which, I think, tie the room all together. 

I guess put differently, our identity shapes the music. 

Thirsty Curses discography definitely splinters into various subgenres, but at the end of the day, it’s all just rock n roll.  

6. The album title Music is a Scam is intriguing. Is there a deeper message behind it, or is it more tongue-in-cheek?

I guess it’s a little bit of both.  We think it's funny.  We also definitely think the music industry is a scam.  There’s always been an element of that, but it feels in some ways worse than it’s ever been.  It seems like every day we’re getting messaged on some platform by some stranger asking for us to give them money to get us more exposure or whatever.  There’s an entire cottage industry that feeds off of broke independent musicians.  I’ve actually noticed a change since Thirsty Curses started in 2017.  It seems like more and more, you can’t do anything without shelling out some dough.  Hell, I had to pay you $8 for this interview.   The cost vs. revenue generated can really be a major obstacle to keep things running. 

As I mentioned earlier, we’ve historically recorded everything ourselves.  Same goes with our music videos.  We’ve had a very DIY approach throughout our existence.  This last round we stepped outside of that and, even with all the cutting corners we did to save money (for example, we recorded vocals and remaining overdubs at home), we’re still heavily in the red.   And it’s just very hard to break even with making an album, much less ever make any money off it.

But you can buy our album either on vinyl or digital download via our website or Bandcamp if you want to help keep us afloat!!!!

7. Songs like "Bombs Away" bring a punk edge, while tracks like "This Time" lean toward balladry. Was it important to showcase such a wide emotional range on this album?

I suppose so.  I’ve never thought to limit myself in subject matter or subgenre when it comes to songwriting.  Art reflects the human experience and human beings are incredibly complicated.  And because songwriting is a therapeutic for me, part of my writing approach involves dealing with life as it comes.  It’s kind of like existential wack-a-mole…the musical.  Sometimes that produces different vignettes of emotion and sound.  Sometimes it’s a pissed off punk tune, sometimes a heart-wrenching ballad.  We’ve also got some joke songs out there like “Punk Rock Ruined My Life” and “Today’s Kids (Are Not Rockers”). 

But I think that genuineness in our songs is part of what glues our sound together across different genres. 

8. Thirsty Curses has been steadily releasing albums, singles, and music videos while consistently touring. What keeps the band so prolific and driven?

It comes in bursts and waves, with the occasional storms in between….It has definitely not been all smooth sailing.
I felt a fire burning in me to realize some creative goals when I moved to Raleigh circa 2015-16.  I’d moved around a lot prior to that and had a backlog of songs I hadn’t been able to adequately flesh out.  And there were also some songwriting bursts along the way.  We had an album a year pace from 2017-2019 and had some pretty good momentum going when Covid hit.  That derailed things for a bit, but we got things up and running again by early 2021, which was a very productive year.   Then we had some more turnover in early 2022 following the release of our last album, To The Ends of the Earth, when our drummer Evan moved to Asheville.  We were rolling again steady again for 2023-24 and hopefully we'll be playing some more live come spring and summer this year.

But I probably pushed too hard at times to be honest.  We’ve had a lot of turnover through the years, particularly in the drummer department (over the course of five albums, we’ve had four drummers).  Bass player Clayton Herring and I have been the two mainstays of the operation.  Original lead guitarist Kelley Otwell has also been a consistent contributor.  He left the band during Covid but has contributed to a few songs the last couple of years (“Bombs Away”, “Tattoo Graveyard”, “I Never Learn”). 

But yeah when that turnover happens it can be a frustrating and draining experience to put it back together. 

But in short, we just try to push ahead best we can, while we can.  Sometimes we do, sometimes we don’t. 

9. You’ve been compared to artists like The Replacements, Against Me!, and Modest Mouse. How do you feel about those comparisons, and do you have any personal favorites among them?

The Replacements is the comp I like the most.  Jeff Yerger wrote something about Thirsty Curses that we’re like The Replacements if they had more piano.  I think the overall aesthetic of The Replacements is fairly close to what we do.  Our specific sounds are different but I think the attitudes reflected in both bands’ music are similar. Deer Tick is another one that I think is a good comp….Jeff Rosenstock/Bomb the Music Industry as well. 

I definitely went through big Against Me! and Modest Mouse phases back in the day, so those make sense too.  

10. What’s been the most rewarding or surprising fan reaction to your music so far?

Just really every time someone reaches out to tell us that they got something from our music.   Stuff like that is just the best.  Personally, those interactions give me the fuel to keep going with this stuff. 

Being in an independent rock band is far from all wine and roses, but those small interactions with fans are what make it worth doing.   Sometimes it feels like we're screaming into the abyss….I'm not sure fans realize how much those interactions mean to us.  But it's everything. 

11. With Music is a Scam set to release on February 27, 2025, do you have any plans for a tour or special shows to support the album?

We’re doing a DIY house show release in Raleigh on March 8th.  If anybody reading this wants to come, drop us a message.  It’s not private, but it’s not necessarily public. 

We’re also doing a public release at Neptune’s in Raleigh on April 5th

We’ve discussed booking a tour in late 2025. It’s still possible.  We’ll see. 

12. For people who are just discovering Thirsty Curses, what’s the one song from your discography that best represents what the band is all about?

As I mentioned earlier, “Reading & Writing” is a pretty good representation of Thirsty Curses.  The other singles from Music is a Scam, taken together, are a good representation of our range too, “Bombs Away”, “Foot in the Door”, “Breakfast Schmeckfast”…And on February 6th we’re releasing another called “All That’s Left of Us Now”.

We also put out a single last year called “I Never Learn” which is pretty representative of another strain of our sound, the more guitar-based singer songwriter thing.  "Slice of Paradise" too.  Another good one is “Dimlit Cathedral”, which I co-wrote with our old guitarist Kelley Otwell and is off of our album All Shook Up. It’s upbeat, catchy, serious, and sarcastic….pretty intense, but also pretty fun

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